Initial Proposal for Edinburgh Client

Handmade, hand painted kitchen and window seat for a client up in Edinburgh. These are my initial proposal designs.

Render setting: Daz Highest
Render time: 52 minutes

Loads of sketchup models to help with realism and tried to play around alot with textures too using Daz's superb brass one.

Post Production Software: Photoshop. Effects: sharpened, clone tool (to merge frames to give handmade appearance) gaussian blur, lens flare, saturation, curves, burn tool.

Constructive feedback welcome. Personally i still feel it looks quite flat and cartoonish, floor texture and bar stools texture and oak table texture needs work.

All look superb Jayne....Don't put your skill levels down as I don't think they are cartoonish at all. They are clean and bright ad I bet they print off nicely. You have certainly sent a good deal of time on these and I hope you get the customer to order from you...

I think they look fantastic!

The only thing that jumps out at me is the handles on the pan drawers - in the first image, the ones on the right hand side of the island are offset to the left slightly.

great images!

the lens flare bugs me when trying to look at the kitchen details. I know its there to add realism, but is it distracting when trying to present the detail of the design? - so that just a personal thing. EDIT maybe it's the brightness of the ceiling light

one design detail - would there not be a 'floor frame' or 'frame leg' (what ever you call it) on the right side if the sink base? as there is one to the right of the dishwasher, and one either side of the open/dog section on the other side?

on your kitchens how do your dishwashers work with the frames? I assume the frame it wider than the dishwasher? then what about the bottom rail of the frame is that attached to the door?
(sorry gone a bit off topic)

oh and I would want drawers under my hob.

again just a personal thing.


your design and images wont let you down on this sale!

mister_mitch wrote:oh and I would want drawers under my hob.

again just a personal thing.


your design and images wont let you down on this sale!

I don't think you could have them Mitch as the Domino Extractor will be in the way, certainly not a top drawer anyway looking at this:

ah, couldn't see what the hob(s) are from the images.

would still get a couple of pan drawers in there ??

Thanks for the feedback guys. Yes those pan drawer handles are slightly off..... well spotted. I know what you mean about the lens flare too, its probably not really appropriate but i think i just enjoyed playing around with this one.

With the frame leg, tbh we probably wouldn't put one in there, even thought it would look more symmetrical, we try to minimise using them as clients sometimes done like them as dirt and dust is more likely to gather in their corners and they kick their feet against them. We think it gives it a more handmade feel when its not quite so streamlined looking.

Yes, so we use a standard 600mm dishwasher so 600mm door, our frames are 44mm so this makes each dishwasher unit 688 wide when framed.

We actually cut the rail below so dishwasher can be removed/replaced if need be. perhaps i should show this in the design so good point!

Cant do drawers under this hob due to the downdraft set up in the cabinet below or i would have. Its a shame you need to sacrifice one for the other.

Yes, exactly Daz, what we will do is make it a double door cabinet with a backing on the front of it them shelf it out for the client to at least get some storage in there. The back panel will also be removable if required.

Wow Jane, looks great.... I have a long way to go

You've done it again! Love the dogs too. You seem to do a few blue kitchens north of the border, something to do with the flag?

Dogs are so 2D but not much I can do about that! Yes we are getting a few at the moment come to think of it

So did you sell it?

Client liked initial proposal, but nothing signed up for yet. Looking to meet in the new year - project wont be installed until June anyways as they are doing a complete renovation. Will keep you updated

Jaynehiddleston wrote:Client liked initial proposal, but nothing signed up for yet. Looking to meet in the new year - project wont be installed until June anyways as they are doing a complete renovation. Will keep you updated

That's fortunate Jane, due to the exclusivity of your kitchens you have a league time of six months so they have plenty of time up to new year, to ponder putting pen to paper!

That light is amazing...........................where do i get that from????

its a sketchup warehouse model. If you PM me your email I can send it over.

I set the bulbs to lit appearance and then made them brighter using photoshop post-render editing

Soooo, update.........client has has second thoughts and has completely changed design brief, this layout works far better though, looks cleaner, more streamlined and less heavy and imposing so I'm much happier with it! 

Photos below, hoping to sign off shortly. Will be a lovely one for our website to get photographs of

Jaynehiddleston wrote:Soooo, update.........client has has second thoughts and has completely changed design brief, this layout works far better though, looks cleaner, more streamlined and less heavy and imposing so I'm much happier with it! 

Photos below, hoping to sign off shortly. Will be a lovely one for our website to get photographs of

They are going to have to be good photographs to better these... 

Great work. One of your best (so far). I love your accessories, they are spot on. I need to get some my self! The only thing I don't like too much is the TV. Customers choice I know! 
Well done.

Thanks stumpy, this is my fav design to date too. You get so much more into it when you actually like the clients ideas.....! Agree with the telly, especially the shelf but she needs somewhere to put her sky box and sonus speaker

I like the new design. - a lot less storage, but imo the room will be nicer for it.

The renders are great!

its crazy how much work we all put in without a fee or even a deposit on an order!

Did you get the job Jayne?

We put a lot of work and effort in to our designs which the clients don't see and they think we can just change with a couple of clicks with a mouse.

I don't mind making changes or even a complete new design once I get a commitment from a customer. 

Great design by the way, I like the simplicity of it.

Looks really well Jayne, the first design looks well, but the second way tops the look of the room, way less intrusive. 

They'd be fools not to go for it

Dave - im 90% certain we have this job, thats the only reason i've put so much into it. If I dont get a good feeling its going to be one we will get I will still provide the client with a render (usually the best view that shows the kitchen the best) and a guide costing. From this, we either go forward or it gets filed away. Almost all of our work is word of mouth recommendations (we live in a quite area of Scotland and are fortunate not to have huge amounts of competition on what we do) therefore, leads are usually positive. I am starting to see more people come in looking for a design though as they've seen them on our social media or website, therefore charging a deposit against a design pack may be a consideration going forward.

Yes "the click of the mouse" to change the colours is complete rubbish. My boss (and dad) kept telling clients its not problem to change colours etc......I had to sit him down and show him exactly how much effort it takes!