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Mon Jun 11, 2018 3:02 pm
Anyone know if the attached door with horizontal slats are available in any catalogue?

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Mon Jun 11, 2018 3:22 pm
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That's an IDM door yes?

ArtiCAD do have a IDM cat if you have not tried that here - https://www.articad.com/members-area/overview/graphics-downloads/doors-manufacturing/
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Mon Jun 11, 2018 4:31 pm
Thanks Daz, i actually have that catalogue but their version of slats are a great distance apart.

I'll just use that door and explain to the customer that they will get the one shown in the photo.
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Mon Jun 11, 2018 4:48 pm
Okay.... I can create a transparency map to scale so you just pick a door with a centre panel and the transparency creates the slat effect and a bump map will help make the slats look 3D....
Have you told anyone at ArtiCAD this door is incorrect so they can update the door graphic?

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Mon Jun 11, 2018 5:12 pm
Thanks Daz, I'll let them know.
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Mon Jun 11, 2018 7:07 pm
Dave Gannon wrote:Thanks Daz, I'll let them know.

Dave

Here you go... I used the better Displacement map option as this makes the glass centre panels 3D as it modifies the geometry and is not faking it like Bump does. Size to 300mm and see all the options below to test it yourself

I have attached the Displacment Map... A blurred version of the Transparency map to slightly soften the corners.... hope this helps until the graphics are corrected..

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Tue Jun 12, 2018 8:52 am
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Daz, you've knocked it out the park as always!
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Thanks Daz, that worked a treat.

Unfortunately my knowledge of displacment maps and transparency maps wouldn't be great, what other uses have they?




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Tue Jun 12, 2018 9:09 am
Dave, great design. that stove is terrific.....sketchupwarehouse?!
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Tue Jun 12, 2018 9:20 am
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Thanks Jane, yea sketchup warehouse and used Daz's materials calculator.

If you want it let me know and I'll send it over to you.
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Tue Jun 12, 2018 9:23 am
Yeah if you wouldn;t mind, ive tried using ones before from SKP WH and they've always looked terrible! My email is - jayne@hiddlestonjoiners.co.uk 

Thanks Smile hope you get the sale!
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Tue Jun 12, 2018 9:34 am
Thanks, Nathan, Jayne and Dave.... Impressive render...

Displacement can be useful as it can simplify the need for modeling certain things. These are very early examples of experiments I did using them in TurboCAD which actually splits out Displacement and Bump so users can you both in some instances where the displacement is medium detail of a stone wall for the mortar lines and stones shaping. The bump then is good for the fine sandy mortar and imperfections in the stone faces.
Displacement in the render engine is real 3D Geometry and the example below show height even though the material is applied to a box... Bump is fake height. We pay for Displacement though in render times as it has it cannot currently make use of Embree....(Embree is a collection of high-performance ray tracing kernels, developed at Intel. The target users of Embree are graphics application engineers who want to improve the performance of their photo-realistic rendering application by leveraging Embree’s performance-optimized ray tracing kernels.)

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Tue Jun 12, 2018 9:44 am
Would you recommend using it in Articad? for example the stone face wall at the stove, or would it slow the render down too much. 

I know how to make a bump map, how do you go about making displacment and transparency maps.
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Dave Gannon wrote:Would you recommend using it in Articad? for example the stone face wall at the stove, or would it slow the render down too much. 

I know how to make a bump map, how do you go about making displacement and transparency maps.

That's up to you Dave and how realistic you want it to look, but yes it is very useful in some instances as certain materials with just a bump can look fake. for Carpets it can look a lot better than bump. Probably using the displacement option on your stone wall will/should get rid of the straight lines on the corners of the wall.

You can use the same process as a bump map but we need to be careful of the scaling.... start with a really small amplitude as it is not always good on corners as it does not weld well at the moment. On my machine the higher I go in the Material Editor the longer it takes to generate the preview... So always lower the amplitude before adding/turning on the displacement option.

As you have probably worked out for yourself the Blacker parts of the image you use in the Displacement this is the lowest height. The Blacker parts of an image you use for a transparency map the more transparent the material is on those areas....Hence why a Black and White images work well for your Slats ;-)


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Dave Gannon wrote:Thanks Daz

Just had a play to use displacement to create a routered carving effect... Your Kontour Logo ;-)

I think I need to talk to Redway as displacement ignores the glossiness by the looks of it... but still a useful tool...

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Got in closer.... maybe the glossiness with a Displacement map with areas set to 255RGB could be the reason as the rout has some glossy... the plot thickens.....
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Tue Jun 12, 2018 12:27 pm
Minch wrote:This is a very handy tool Daz.  Carving in custom mantels.  I model mine in Fusion 360 but for people without this type of capability it makes very good sense.

It is.... you could personalise them for customers like some have their names carved into the mantles etc. Sometimes these touches can create a good vibe with the customer...
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Looks great Daz, it's great to know that and to be able to provide that level of detail to customers.
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Wed Jun 13, 2018 2:52 pm
My computer gets whipped like a ginger headed step kid with displacement settings enabled Sad
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Mingerz wrote:My computer gets whipped like a ginger headed step kid with displacement settings enabled Sad

You need to upgrade your machine!!!
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Wed Jun 13, 2018 3:20 pm
Everyone will be putting logos onto cabinets now. lol!  Great work Daz!
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Wed Jun 13, 2018 3:24 pm
Joe wrote:Everyone will be putting logos onto cabinets now. lol!  Great work Daz!

haha... thanks...

I use Serif Page Plus as it is  so good for making the maps... Effects/inner glow with a black colour to soften and ramp the inside elevation faces...
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Mingerz wrote:My computer gets whipped like a ginger headed step kid with displacement settings enabled Sad

You need to upgrade your machine!!!

I know, I know...AMD Threadripper 2 chip is launching soon with 32 cores but unfortunately the laptop will have to take precedence......in due course....when funds allow... lol!
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